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Is the Bible predicting the Jews be wiped out ?

Filed under 2012 Prophecy by larrydkeen on July 11, 2011 at 9:35 AM {no comments}

"Bible records the “end days.” Included among the predictions is the annihilation of jews, except a small minority who convert to Christianity. the Jews are wiped out because they refused Christ for a second time. "
“Evangelicals, Zionists & Secular Neocons” by Barry Leonardini, p32

people have been trying to wipe out the jews for ages but they haven't done yet.

Quite the opposite.

Read Jerusalem Countdown by John Hagee.

He uses and cross references scripture to show his point.

In reality, God will PROTECT the Jews and give them all the opportunity to see the Messiah.

The "remnant" that you speak of is who will prophesy to the nations of the world. 144,000 representing the 12 tribes of Israel

Once again the Bible was used for the wrong purpose. the Bible was used for predicting the future and not for the reason it was intended. the sole purpose of the Bible and the new Testament in particular was to show people how THEY should live their lives. Not for history, science, or predicting the future.

The end days predicted in the bible were actually about the reign of the emperor Nero, who, unsurprisingly, was seen as the great demon by early Christians. the idea that Revelations is a prediction of the end of the world in our times is mistaken and misguided. the unscrupulous as usual use and abuse such ideas for their own ends. the Bible was and is a guide to living, not a means of predicting the future

I wouldn't take the Bible too seriously on much, to be honest. It's a cracking work of semi-fiction but that's about it.

But hey, if you listen to all the Christians I've managed to annoy I'm going to hell anyway and my opinion clearly doesn't matter. How, in hindsight, can I go to a Christian idea of the afterlife when I don't actually believe in it?
Of course, what the Christians should be saying, according the Bible, is I forgive you. Amazing how many seem to have forgotten that… and that little bit about not killing anyone.

If you read the real Bible, you would see that it will be everyone else who will be wiped out – in the war of Gog & Magog.
Israel will survive, as always.

The bible is fiction. Nothing more. so another words, get a life.

the jews will come to the point of anhialation, at that point the saviour comes and destroys all the enemies of israel, not just the jews but all the israelite tribes. exept evil israelites will share the fate of their enemies, then you have spiritual israel, these are the ones who have accepted the saviour but are not of israelite blood.

Every once in a while, some nutter comes to try and wipe out the Jews.

Its a complex theological issue but safe to say that according to the new Testament Jews can only be saved through Christ since he is regarded as the true Son of God and Messiah. From Romans 9-11 it is clear that true Jews ie. those who know Christ will be saved. this, however, is no excuse for anti-Semitism, racism or scapegoating of Jewish people. Jesus himself was,after all, Jewish. Many of my friends are Jewish and I believe that we owe a great debt to the Jews for the great contribution they have made to western culture over millenia.

What seems more likely is that the surviving Jews will have to convert to Islam.

Who cares? why do not you read anything from the ancient Greek philosophers? They have a lot more creative thinking and they do not want to wipe out anyone or read what Jesus has said, he is not talking about eliminations or wars. It is clear that Bush does not believe in Jesus, probably he believes in Lucifer.

This is purely a Christian perspective, and probably a twisted one as well. Being Jewish I don't have a "new Testament" anyway, so none of that has any meaning for me.

Which Bible? does anybody seriously think the Bible of the Judaic and Christian peoples is the only Bible?

And even if it was, what grounds exist to imagine that it has some special significance? why not instead make a big deal of the Egyptian Book of the Dead? the Avestas of Zoroastrianism? the Hindu Upanishads and Baghavad Gita? the Analects of Confucius? the Book of Mormon? Dianetics by L. Ron Hubbard? who cares what any Bible says any more than the others? What is the test of truth – words in books, or facts?

Is the Bible predicting the Jews be wiped out ?

Do you believe there are individuals or groups out there that want to bring on the End Times?

Filed under 2012 Prophecy by larrydkeen on July 10, 2011 at 1:00 AM {no comments}

I thought it was best that this be put in Politics.

Do you believe there are those that think they can forcefully bring on the End Times? For example, by fulfilling certain "prophecies" or propagate chaos, or even sabotaging efforts to improve the economy and promoting a better standard of living?

What would this actually be called?

Suicide by ….. ?

Religion vs Religion

They're going to blow us all up to kingdom come.

By the behavior of your enslaving, thieving, invading and bomb building rich class – absolutely.

The rest of us are pristine innocent. thanks for thinking of us, though.

Yes.

There a lot of mentally deranged bible thumpers who want to do that.

Wailin' Palin is one of them.

Yes, the signs are in place. the global elite are not trying to bring on the end times, I believe. These calamities, e.g. financial and wars have been spurned by greed. Interesting to note though that Christians, Muslims and Jews are awaiting their saviors.

All prophecies have to be made true…nobody can see the future.

Yeah, Islamic jihadis and Southern Baptists.

First of all, anyone who uses the end time prophecies from the bible and attempts to bring them about themselves, know little if anything about the true meaning of scripture or what it says. They are simply religious zealots and ignorant of the things of God. Secondly, no one can "fulfill" any prophecy of their own accord. it must be done according to God's plan. he does it, not some man or woman at their whim. People can sabotage anything but using scripture separate from God is useless, fruitless, and an attempt to play God. God doesn't need man's help and certainly never authorized him to act on his behalf without his involvement.

The quest for power has been with us since humanity first stood on earth , it overrides all other humanities such as kindness sympathy gentleness fairness equality art benevolence . such feelings only come from the stable and Intelligent . people who seek to reign over other posses none of these qualities and have only one goal to be in charge and to control . Consequently they are always the ones that make the rules or else . For the rest who do have such qualities look on with a jaundiced eye and do nothing . We thrash around and wait hoping someday the world will change and shangrila will happen but in our hearts know the meek will never inherit the earth.

Well, being that the "End Times" will be billions of years from now when our sun becomes a red giant and swallows up the inner solar system and will have nothing to do with anyone called the "Anti-Christ" or any other fictional character such as "God" or "Jesus", I don't think anybody can bring it on any faster.

And NO! Obama is NOT the Anti-Christ!

Do you believe there are individuals or groups out there that want to bring on the End Times?

What does the Qu-ran or Torah say about end times/revelation, end of the world? any differences with the bible?

Filed under 2012 Prophecy by larrydkeen on July 2, 2011 at 5:10 AM {no comments}

I for one am looking forward to the possible end times. We need it.

The Quran and Torah has mentioned end time will come specific date and time is not mentioned. God knows the date and time. The Torah the bible and the holy quran is from the same god Muslims believe in all of them. The jews do not accept the bible the christians do not accept the holy quran as final revealation but they believe in some parts of it. Muslims do not reject any revalation that was sent before the holy quran.

What does the Qu-ran or Torah say about end times/revelation, end of the world? any differences with the bible?

Israel, the End Times Treaty, and How God Is Using a US President

Filed under 2012 Prophecy by larrydkeen on July 1, 2011 at 1:10 PM {no comments}

The President’s Bad Promise & the Palestinians’ Nose Thumbing

President Obama promised Israeli leadership that if they would meet Palestinian Authority leader Mahmoud Abbas at the negotiating table, the Palestinians would drop their call for a U.N. resolution declaring a Palestinian state. However, as reported by the Washington Post on Friday, Palestinian leadership declared they will seek the U.N. resolution even if talks do begin.

Adding to that pain, Nabil Sha’th, Fatah Central Committee member, stated in interviews with two Arab newspapers this past week that the Palestinians will NOT recognize Israel as the Jewish state. If backed into a corner and forced to make a treaty of some sort, Palestinian leadership might accept a state next to their state of Palestine as a state of Jewish people; but that definition would also have to include a state of Arabs, as well. thus, it would be a Jewish AND Arab state. the thinking behind that is that Palestinians, over time, would flood the state with Arabs, effectively making it an Arab state, at which point, they would force Jews out. but Palestinian leadership has no intention of ever accepting Israel as a Jewish state only. (It should be noted that Israelis have never intended to exclude Palestinians in the Jewish state; after all, Arabs own property, businesses, and hold political offices. but, in areas that become an Arab majority, Jews have been forced out.)

However, Israeli Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu is too smart to fall for that trick. He has repeatedly declared that Palestinians must accept Israel as the Jewish state in order for Israel to confirm a treaty with them. This is one more reason why we should not look for a treaty between Israel and the Palestinians, a result that aligns perfectly with end-times Bible prophecy.

Yet, the president keeps trying. well, at least he keeps trying the same tactic again and again.

The President’s Insane Approach: Rewarding the Palestinians’ Bad Behavior

You know the definition of insanity – doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. the approach to the Israeli – Palestinian “peace” talks is a perfect example of this.

One aspect of the approach that remains the same is giving the Palestinians everything they demand, much like a bad parent giving in to a repeatedly demanding and bad-behaving child. Israel is now being pressured into yet another concession-this time, withdrawing to pre-1967 borders-while, once again, the Palestinians are not being required to make concessions.

Like rewarding a rebellious child, the pressure on Israel is being exerted as a reward to the Palestinians. for refusing to negotiate, even after Israel has made several major concessions in the last two and a half years, President Obama is saying to the Palestinians, “So, you refuse to negotiate, even though I asked nicely? Okay, I will make Israel give you something else so that you will negotiate.” when that doesn’t work, the president says to the Palestinians, “Okay, I will make Israel give you something else so that you will negotiate.” thus, the more the Palestinians refuse to negotiate, the more the U.S. president makes Israel give to them. even a two-year old can figure out how to win at this game!

This is another indicator that neither the U.S. nor the Palestinians will be involved in a future treaty with Israel. After all, the president is training the Palestinians-by rewarding them for staying away from the negotiating table. the more the Palestinians stay away from negotiating with Israel, the more they get in return. This appears to be an insane approach toward a Middle East peace treaty. it will not result in a treaty between Israel and the Palestinians. instead, it will have the very effect God wants it to have; it will eventually, remove both the U.S. and the Palestinians from being involved with Israel on a regional treaty. This will align perfectly with end-times Bible prophecy.

The President’s Bullying Tactics: Why they Won’t Work This Time

In a fundraiser with American Jewish businessmen in new York, this past week, President Obama defended his call to Israel to give up its defensible borders. As columnist Caroline Glick interpreted, the president stated that his job is to force Israelis to bow to his demands, because he knows what is best for them.

This type of approach has caused Israeli leadership in the past to respond in ways they did not want to choose. However, it will no longer work for with an Israeli prime minister who is currently one of the most popular Israeli leaders ever and who is now more popular with the American Congress than is the president of the United States. This means that the president’s bullying tactics with Israel will only serve to keep the Palestinians away from signing a treaty, and they will push the Jewish state toward other treaty co-signers.

The End Times Alignment

Interestingly, this Middle East picture is beginning to align with what we see in the Bible. After all, Bible prophecy presents a noticeably absent United States.

In addition, end-times prophecy shows a seven-year treaty with Israel being co-signed by ten leaders of other nations. (For more explanation-and proof-of this, see Apocalypse 2012: the Ticking of the End Time Clock-What does the Bible say?) because the Bible shows that these leaders will be kings (compare Daniel 2:32-34, 37-44; 7:7-14, 17-24; Revelation 17:12), they will, necessarily, be leaders of nations (which is what a king is). However, the Palestinians have never constituted a nation; thus, there will be no king of the Palestinians co-signing a treaty with Israel. This means that the Palestinians are also absent from Bible prophecy and will not be co-signers of a treaty with Israel.

We can see another indicator that the Palestinians will not be co-signers of the future treaty with Israel. Since it is the end-times treaty that will appear to satisfy Israel’s-and the world’s-need for “peace and security” (as per 1 Thessalonians 5:3), Israel will not be signing a treaty for that very purpose with the Palestinians. After all, Israeli leadership has adamantly stated that it will not sign a treaty unless it is assured of both peace and security; and if those needs were met by a treaty with the Palestinians, there would be no need for any other treaty. but since the treaty of “peace and security” is signed with ten leaders of other nations, the Palestinians will not be a part of a treaty with Israel. (After all, the Palestinians have never been a nation.) that indicates that the Palestinians will not be a part of that treaty with Israel.

Thus, it appears that we are witnessing God’s preparation of the fulfillment of end-times Bible prophecy by using a U.S. president who is catering to the bad-child behavior of the Palestinian leadership-an approach is removing both the Palestinians and the U.S. from the prophetic picture. This could indicate that we are drawing near to the Bible’s prediction of the end-times treaty.

Doctoral work, Phoenix Seminary; th.M., new Testament Greek, Dallas Theological Seminary; B.A., English, University of Northern Iowa

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Israel, the End Times Treaty, and How God Is Using a US President